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		<title>Comment on Where do you go if you don&#8217;t want to be governed? by innokenti</title>
		<link>http://brontides.com/2012/02/where-do-you-go-if-you-dont-want-to-be-governed/#comment-3500</link>
		<dc:creator>innokenti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 08:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooh! This is good and interesting stuff.

I think it&#039;s easy to forget that many parts of the world don&#039;t conform to our us-centred expectations. Reminds me always of questions by one of my grandmothers, no dead, in regards to my education in the UK. She struggled with the fact that people didn&#039;t speak Russian in England. Not even a little bit. I think when she finally got around it all, she was quite shocked that anyone could go there and actually be understood.

(Which itself reminds me of an anecdote by Sergei Dovlatov - remarking on a Russian émigré family in America moving into a block of apartments and at one point their 9-year-old son riding in an elevator. An American family got in they asked him to press the button for the 5th floor. He didn&#039;t comply, so they asked him again, and he didn&#039;t understand, so Dovlatov explained that he didn&#039;t understand English. &quot;Doesn&#039;t understand English?&quot;, &quot;Not at all,&quot; Dovlatov replied. &quot;What, doesn&#039;t even understand &#039;5th Floor&#039;?!&quot; said the incredulous family.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooh! This is good and interesting stuff.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s easy to forget that many parts of the world don&#8217;t conform to our us-centred expectations. Reminds me always of questions by one of my grandmothers, no dead, in regards to my education in the UK. She struggled with the fact that people didn&#8217;t speak Russian in England. Not even a little bit. I think when she finally got around it all, she was quite shocked that anyone could go there and actually be understood.</p>
<p>(Which itself reminds me of an anecdote by Sergei Dovlatov &#8211; remarking on a Russian émigré family in America moving into a block of apartments and at one point their 9-year-old son riding in an elevator. An American family got in they asked him to press the button for the 5th floor. He didn&#8217;t comply, so they asked him again, and he didn&#8217;t understand, so Dovlatov explained that he didn&#8217;t understand English. &#8220;Doesn&#8217;t understand English?&#8221;, &#8220;Not at all,&#8221; Dovlatov replied. &#8220;What, doesn&#8217;t even understand &#8217;5th Floor&#8217;?!&#8221; said the incredulous family.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on In the short term, the wise bet is on might, not right by Aosher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aosher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will borrow it when you are done. Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will borrow it when you are done. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>Comment on In the short term, the wise bet is on might, not right by VivaVirago</title>
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		<dc:creator>VivaVirago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you would find the book that I am reading, &#039;Memories of State,&#039; very interesting. Although it&#039;s about Iraq, I think the analysis could be used in other ways, and it discusses some other research. It is primarily about ideology (specifically, although I am recklessly paraphrasing, the use of cultural/historical analysis propagated by the state to gain buy-in from citizens and ways in which that can be &#039;resisted&#039;) rather than state violence, but I think it is interesting to think about the links between the two - how each support the other.

It also refers to ways of resisting authoritarianism that are neither passive, nor attempts at &#039;revolution&#039; or violence against the state, but subtle intellectual challenges to state-sanctioned ideology. 

I&#039;m not sure I&#039;ve phrased this very well, but certainly I think it raises interesting questions about authoritarianism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you would find the book that I am reading, &#8216;Memories of State,&#8217; very interesting. Although it&#8217;s about Iraq, I think the analysis could be used in other ways, and it discusses some other research. It is primarily about ideology (specifically, although I am recklessly paraphrasing, the use of cultural/historical analysis propagated by the state to gain buy-in from citizens and ways in which that can be &#8216;resisted&#8217;) rather than state violence, but I think it is interesting to think about the links between the two &#8211; how each support the other.</p>
<p>It also refers to ways of resisting authoritarianism that are neither passive, nor attempts at &#8216;revolution&#8217; or violence against the state, but subtle intellectual challenges to state-sanctioned ideology. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ve phrased this very well, but certainly I think it raises interesting questions about authoritarianism.</p>
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		<title>Comment on In the short term, the wise bet is on might, not right by Aosher</title>
		<link>http://brontides.com/2012/02/in-the-short-term-the-wise-bet-is-on-might-not-right/#comment-3483</link>
		<dc:creator>Aosher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way I see it, there are two types of revolution. A &quot;hard&quot; revolution, like the Russian, French and American versions, come about when a citizen force attains a sufficiently great physical power relative to that enjoyed by the state - in terms of manpower, armaments and discipline - that they can leverage the benefits of moral right, including the sympathy of non-combatant citizens and external powers. However, attaining that level of internal strength requires the development of a cohesive alternative. In Libya, this was effectively simulated. NATO armed the rebels and provided the superstructure of its internal discipline, allowing it to utilise public sympathy and creative a benevolent feedback loop in international sympathy, and the media played up the readiness of the Libyan Transitional Council to assume control. 

A &quot;soft&quot; revolution is more like the one that took place in Tunisia, or which may be taking place in Yemen. In this case the rebel force never attains the kind of power (or never tries, preferring to proceed via peaceful means) that would be necessary to topple the regime, but succeeds anyway, often because the leader comes to regard their position as untenable or the protests as intractable and steps down. For obvious reasons this is unlikely to occur in Syria.

So the key success factors in Syria really involve both an upgrade in physical power and the emergence of a meaningful alternative. The Syrian rabble has sufficiency of manpower; its rallies are more than large enough when compared against Libyan equivalents. Their weaponry is mostly scavenged but will do if other elements are in place. But their problems are strategic rather than tactical. They can expel the Syrian army from districts, temporarily, but can&#039;t build the level of local support required to hold them. They lack any kind of coherent alternative or plan for government, and that repels the sympathy of those in non-Sunni sects, who fear the worst. If those things become stronger, then the international community and local populations may be more prepared to take the risk of supporting the insurrection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way I see it, there are two types of revolution. A &#8220;hard&#8221; revolution, like the Russian, French and American versions, come about when a citizen force attains a sufficiently great physical power relative to that enjoyed by the state &#8211; in terms of manpower, armaments and discipline &#8211; that they can leverage the benefits of moral right, including the sympathy of non-combatant citizens and external powers. However, attaining that level of internal strength requires the development of a cohesive alternative. In Libya, this was effectively simulated. NATO armed the rebels and provided the superstructure of its internal discipline, allowing it to utilise public sympathy and creative a benevolent feedback loop in international sympathy, and the media played up the readiness of the Libyan Transitional Council to assume control. </p>
<p>A &#8220;soft&#8221; revolution is more like the one that took place in Tunisia, or which may be taking place in Yemen. In this case the rebel force never attains the kind of power (or never tries, preferring to proceed via peaceful means) that would be necessary to topple the regime, but succeeds anyway, often because the leader comes to regard their position as untenable or the protests as intractable and steps down. For obvious reasons this is unlikely to occur in Syria.</p>
<p>So the key success factors in Syria really involve both an upgrade in physical power and the emergence of a meaningful alternative. The Syrian rabble has sufficiency of manpower; its rallies are more than large enough when compared against Libyan equivalents. Their weaponry is mostly scavenged but will do if other elements are in place. But their problems are strategic rather than tactical. They can expel the Syrian army from districts, temporarily, but can&#8217;t build the level of local support required to hold them. They lack any kind of coherent alternative or plan for government, and that repels the sympathy of those in non-Sunni sects, who fear the worst. If those things become stronger, then the international community and local populations may be more prepared to take the risk of supporting the insurrection.</p>
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		<title>Comment on In the short term, the wise bet is on might, not right by innokenti</title>
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		<dc:creator>innokenti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you think are the key ingredients for a &#039;Maghreb Spring&#039;-style revolt to take place successfully?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you think are the key ingredients for a &#8216;Maghreb Spring&#8217;-style revolt to take place successfully?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Nai Day by innokenti</title>
		<link>http://brontides.com/2012/02/nai-day/#comment-3481</link>
		<dc:creator>innokenti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suck to be Greece, I guess. Spunky, but haven&#039;t had that much fun for quite a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suck to be Greece, I guess. Spunky, but haven&#8217;t had that much fun for quite a while.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Nai Day by VivaVirago</title>
		<link>http://brontides.com/2012/02/nai-day/#comment-3472</link>
		<dc:creator>VivaVirago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, all pretty pressing stuff. Would be interested in what you think, going forward, is:
a) likely to happen; and 
b) going to happen?

It just doesn&#039;t seem like Greece can do particularly well out of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, all pretty pressing stuff. Would be interested in what you think, going forward, is:<br />
a) likely to happen; and<br />
b) going to happen?</p>
<p>It just doesn&#8217;t seem like Greece can do particularly well out of this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The benefits of universal benefits by Parliamentary tactics for fun and profit - Brontides</title>
		<link>http://brontides.com/2012/01/the-benefits-of-universal-benefits/#comment-3413</link>
		<dc:creator>Parliamentary tactics for fun and profit - Brontides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that the Cameron government has done right has been to settle the ship in that area. I&#8217;ve written before about the merits of Iain Duncan Smith as a knowledgeable and capable Secretary of State, but it is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that the Cameron government has done right has been to settle the ship in that area. I&#8217;ve written before about the merits of Iain Duncan Smith as a knowledgeable and capable Secretary of State, but it is [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Development and Governance by innokenti</title>
		<link>http://brontides.com/2012/02/development-and-governance/#comment-3406</link>
		<dc:creator>innokenti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 09:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooh, I like that, there is definitely an awful lot there. I think especially in comparison of Alexander&#039;s Empire and Rome, and perhaps even better of Alexander&#039;s Empire and those of his Successors. Each of the successor empires were a lot more concerned with a more solid, local governance building financial and logistical infrastructure. Ptolemy added traditional Greek structures on top of Egypt&#039;s ancient and Persian ones, Seleucos adopted the Achaemenid Persian arrangements. Alexander himself never went deep into establishing or integrating the infrastructures and governance of the areas he conquered.

Compare again to Rome which almost ritually deployed it&#039;s basic trade, logistics, law and so on in areas it conquered, turning them into Roman provinces. Republic or Empire didn&#039;t matter, but the establishment and use of these basic building blocks gave the Roman Empire a 1000-year adaptable backbone.

Interesting also to look at edge cases such as the French/Napoleonic Empire, where all these things were also present, but also counterbalanced by constant war...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooh, I like that, there is definitely an awful lot there. I think especially in comparison of Alexander&#8217;s Empire and Rome, and perhaps even better of Alexander&#8217;s Empire and those of his Successors. Each of the successor empires were a lot more concerned with a more solid, local governance building financial and logistical infrastructure. Ptolemy added traditional Greek structures on top of Egypt&#8217;s ancient and Persian ones, Seleucos adopted the Achaemenid Persian arrangements. Alexander himself never went deep into establishing or integrating the infrastructures and governance of the areas he conquered.</p>
<p>Compare again to Rome which almost ritually deployed it&#8217;s basic trade, logistics, law and so on in areas it conquered, turning them into Roman provinces. Republic or Empire didn&#8217;t matter, but the establishment and use of these basic building blocks gave the Roman Empire a 1000-year adaptable backbone.</p>
<p>Interesting also to look at edge cases such as the French/Napoleonic Empire, where all these things were also present, but also counterbalanced by constant war&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Development and Governance by Aosher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aosher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 09:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point. I mean, the comparisons are interesting. Like I said in the post, Singapore and Zim are politically quite similar, but one is well governed and the other isn&#039;t. Similarly France and Italy, Brazil and Argentina etc.

I wonder if a broader case could be made; that the difference between the empires that lasted (Rome, Archaemenid Persia, England) and those that shone briefly before spluttering out (Alexander&#039;s Greece, Seljuk Persia, potentially America) is chiefly that of governance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point. I mean, the comparisons are interesting. Like I said in the post, Singapore and Zim are politically quite similar, but one is well governed and the other isn&#8217;t. Similarly France and Italy, Brazil and Argentina etc.</p>
<p>I wonder if a broader case could be made; that the difference between the empires that lasted (Rome, Archaemenid Persia, England) and those that shone briefly before spluttering out (Alexander&#8217;s Greece, Seljuk Persia, potentially America) is chiefly that of governance.</p>
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